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As someone in OB... intrahepatic cholestasis of pregnancy has known risk of stillbirth. Ursodiol improves symptoms and lab abnormalities but doesn't seem to decrease risk for stillbirth. We do antenatal fetal surveillance in these patients, but stillbirth in ICP is probably a sudden event rather than a chronic process and there may not be preceding signs on a weekly ultrasound. The bile acids are always send-out.

Maybe she should have been delivered earlier based on the LFTs, like the expert opinion suggests. But patients who refuse recommended interventions in pregnancy really tend to refuse preterm delivery.

Anyway, no one wants to accept that there are rare, terrible things that can happen in pregnancy that we cannot perfectly prevent.

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I still haven't fully digested this case. My ex and I lost our 1st baby (blighted ovum) very early in pregnancy so admittedly my situation is vastly different than losing a near term pregnancy of what appears to have been a perfectly viable baby. It was easy for me to brush of my loss, saying, "hey that's nature and proceeded with a D&C in the OB office. Pregnancy and childbirth have never been without risks and that was oh-so-true back a hundred years ago when a certain percentage of mothers died during or after childbirth, and of course, the baby too in some cases.

But the pendulum has swung the other way. Here this mother has had oodles of ED and OB visits, labs, ultrasound etc. The system has become so complex that it has become a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation in which only the parasitic lawyers win, taking at a minimum 33% of the "loot." They don't give a damn about their clients. They use them only as means to make money off the system.

I could see if this was an outrageous case of gross medical malpractice like decapitating a baby with a botched forceps delivery instead of the C section. (There was a case like this.) There were some factors which complicated this, like depending on outsourced labs, non compliance with urodiol.

In my memoirs I summed up my disgust: It is the paradox of progress: Never has the medical field been able to do so much for so many people, yet never have people been so ungrateful. "We want the latest and most expensive technology. We don't care how much it costs and we shouldn't have to pay for it. And we want it NOW, without having to wait. And if the hospital or doctor makes even an honest mistake, we want to be able to sue them for everything they've got. The fact that we are overweight, smoke, drink, and get no exercise is no excuse. "

Nothing is mentioned about this patient's own dietary, exercise or social Hx, etc. For starters, what was her pre pregnancy BMI? Cholestasis? As I recall from medical school , the mnemonic was FAT, female forty and fertile. How fat? She isn't even thirty.

As an admittedly disgruntled orthopedic surgeon whose career was ruined by an RN's premeditated mistake ( delegating behind my back a tech to select and draw up a drug I for which I had given a direct verbal order to the RN in the OR which she acknowledged, had written on her scrubs and read back to me verbatim, turned out to be a lethal drug retrieved by the tech. The tech testified she "didn't know what drug she was supposed to get." The RN didn't check and knew immediately she had violated her most sacred trust. Her testimony " There goes my license." I got my license suspended by the KY Medical Board.

NOTHING happening to the nurse or tech. I have very little empathy or sympathy for the public. They need to see what it's like when they have no health care. I've seen it in rural India, Philippines and Africa.

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