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PJ's avatar

I have so many thoughts, but these are my initial ones:

1)This case touches on one of my pet peeves as an intensivist: serum lactate is one of the most overrated and overutilized lab tests in medicine.

Yes, an elevated lactate can help you identify a patient that's sick, and that you need to pay closer attention to (you can argue the history, vital signs, and exam should accomplish that anyway). But it has very little utility in guiding therapy. In fact, following it serially can be actively harmful at times, because it can lead to a waterlogged patient from clinicians trying to make it go away with endless fluid boluses.

It can even be troublesome for prognostic purposes. I've seen so many cases where the lactate goes up., down, and sideways, yet the patient is off pressors, extubated, and sitting up in a chair having a conversation with me. Conversely, I've seen plenty of cases where the lactate clears by day 2, and the patient is still in trouble.

Don't get me wrong, the lactate can be useful in specific circumstances, but it needs to be interpreted in context, and it's limitations understood. I'm extremely skeptical getting a lactate level would have made any difference at all in this patient's outcome.

2)One of the criticisms is inadequate fluid resuscitation. Pancreatitis, along with pre-ecclampsia is one of the most frustrating diseases when it comes to fluid management. Too little, and you have inadequate circulating blood volume. Too much, and the capillary leak causes all kinds of third spacing, organ edema, and respiratory failure. It always feels like whatever you do, it's the wrong answer.

3)I question how much of a difference ICU vs ICU Stepdown admission would have made. In my shop, at least, ICU Stepdown is run by the critical care team, and just across the hall from ICU. If someone seems to be doing okay initially, but then becomes hypotensive, it doesn't involve much in the way of time delay to start pressors and move them over. The "early central line" dogma is a residual of the Rivers trial, has been debunked, and is not really standard of care anymore: We will place a line if we can't get adequate or safe peripheral access, if the pressors doses keep escalating, or if the patient is on pressors for more than 24 hours (this is more hospital policy rather than based on evidence).

I didn't see any details about whether the patient had a prolonged period of hypotension before it was recognized and pressors were started, whether one of her PIVs running a vasopressor infiltrated, or whether the ICU team dragged their feet in placing a central line. Again, none of this has anything to do with the ED doc.

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Brendan Boland's avatar

A HPB surgeon should have been involved in the patients care. Infected pancreatic necrosis is a surgical disease. We have made strides in eus based and minimally invasive approaches but sometimes you just need to operate.

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